Perhaps vibe coding the A/B testing engine isn't the best idea.

Solution: don't A/B test your users.

A/B testing people without their informed consent is immoral, unethical, and should be illegal.

To play devil's advocate, without A/B testing a lot of decisions would be made with insufficient relevant data, and lead to subpar results that affect the many negatively form the road.

counter-point : the companies that are most famous for A/B testing routinely are also the ones with the most notoriously non-existent customer service departments globally, facebook/google/amazon/ebay. Groups that harbor dissatisfied customers by essentially being 'the only show in town.'.

so, what i'm saying is : I think a lot of companies align themselves with the cash first and then measure whether or not the negative image/user impact is manageable .

(in fact I know they operate this way.)

A lot of decisions made with A/B testing are also made with insufficient relevant data, but it's less obvious since it's easy to think the A/B results cover everything.

So you're saying software should never change or you're happy with A testing, but not A/B testing

> So you're saying software should never change

Generally, yes. Make your software better first before releasing it and you won't need to make changes to it.

Want a new feature that you didn't have before? That's a new software product.

> or you're happy with A testing, but not A/B testing

I'm happy with testing when the user has explicitly opted-in for it.

It is necessary to have a control group, just as in trials for new drugs.

no its not.

Depends entirely on the stakes and whether personal data is involved

> Depends entirely on the stakes and whether personal data is involved

Sure. Let me just A/B test whether or not you'll respond positively or negatively to having your news delivered via push notification or delayed by 10 minutes.

I'm sure you would appreciate being tested on without your consent, just so that I can make an extra quick buck at your expense. Nothing amoral or unethical about it.

What do you think about slow rollouts for new features? Like, we think this new push notification system will be loved but let’s ship to only 1% of users in case there’s a horrible unforeseen consequence like occasional 10min delays? Dashboard goes upside down -> revert then work through logs to figure out what the hell went wrong.

What do you think of things you purchased changing over time into something you didn't purchase?

That's literally any software subscription ever.

So you're perfectly okay with repeatedly paying for a shit product, getting shat on by the company in the form of being tested for feedback, and "maybe" getting a better product in the future. Mind you, that "better" isn't necessarily better for you but more explicitly better for the company you're paying.

Sounds like someone who doesn't care about being a sheep. Or maybe someone whose salary depends on having sheep.

I am not getting shat on by them working to improve the product. Have you got a screw loose?

I think you are making far too wide-sweeping statements. I think most people here probably agree that if Anthropic drops Claude Code from the Pro plan after people have paid with the understanding that it is part of the package, that would be wrong, and they deserve to lose business over it. However, there are plenty of situations where A/B testing is entirely benign, and I would not have any problem with a company doing that testing without getting consent first. Every form of A/B testing is not done just for the gain of the company doing the testing.

Well, duh, that's precisely what's wrong with subscriptions.

That the product might improve?

In my experience, improvements are so rare compared to regressions, they might as well not exist.

How does your example warrant such moral righteousness? The stakes of a late news notification seem strikingly low.

Agreed and I can't wait until they regulate this stuff out of existence. It's absolutely hostile software technique that is deeply anti-human.