I would throw Grok in there, too, but I suppose that might get us into a political discussion...

I don't know anything about Grok, but AFAIK they have different problems. Grok lacks alignment to push back against users asking for bad things, like advocating for hurting people.

But Deepseek is trained to manipulate the user into wanting bad things like hurting people.

I disagree that Grok, manipulated by Elon Musk, does not push ideas that hurt people