> The quotes that I said lacked context and don't actually say what is claimed?
Okay, let's look at the OP you replied to, and take at look at the claim you are disputing:
"The jury foreman admitted that they "skipped" prior art because "It was bogging us down.""
Okay. So, that's the extent of the claim.
Going by the quote from the juror: "In fact we skipped that one,", it matches up with the claim.
Claim: They skipped a question.
Quote: We skipped a question.
I think it's fair to say they skipped a question.
Even you admit to this with your own quote: "As far as I can tell, there's no evidence from those quotes that they skipped prior art, so much as skipped the task to move forward on others before circling back around to it." You say here that there is no evidence that they skipped, but there is evidence the skipped the question and most probably eventually came back to it later.
However, skipping did occur, which was the original contention backed up by statements from those who would know.
It would seem that you are the one trying to invent, poorly, as you can't even avoid contradicting yourself in your own comment.
But, you might ask, why would skipping and coming back matter as long as they addressed the question.
Context. The questions were ordered in a specific order. Addressing them out of order is, in essence, answering the questions "out of context." Indeed, the quotes suggest (though admittedly not directly) that by skipping the question, they were able to continue. But if that question had been answered as they had expected it to, would it have impacted the outcome? I believe so.
After all, the context in which you answer a question determines the answer (which is fairly obvious).
In the end, you are trying to paint the jurors in a different light. One in which they abided by the rules set forth (which they've already admitted to not doing[1]) and using the worksheets provided to reach the judgement (again, something they've admitted to modifying).
So no, I'm not inventing anything. Couple that with the "expertise" offered by a patent holder, it's fairly obvious there are issues with the ruling.
That all being said, maybe it's okay the jury ignore the provided worksheets and rewrote them. Maybe it's okay that they ignore instructions given to them by the judge. After all, they are the jury, and they our last line of defense. If we can ask a jury to find someone innocent facing an unjust law, we can expect them to make their voice heard in other cases as well.
Regardless, my point still stands: They skipped a question, they admitted to it, as did you, and you seem foolishly trying to take on other conditions as if somehow that makes the "fact" untrue.
Honestly, how can you even suggest they didn't skip the question, and then say they did, and try to blame someone else for inventing false narratives? I mean, besides being dishonest?
[1] They were instructed: "You should keep in mind that the damages you award are meant to compensate the patent holder and not to punish an infringer." However, what they "wanted to make sure the message we sent was not just a slap on the wrist. We wanted to make sure it was sufficiently high to be painful, but not unreasonable."
Your extrapolation from off the cuff out of context quotes is mind boggling daft in its scope. Instead of providing supporting evidence, you're merely building a larger and larger narrative on top of the same incomplete data.
This is the same sort of reality twisting that we see out of the likes of the birther movement -- facts and supporting data take a back seat to whatever supports an appealing narrative.
I don't believe 3 days is enough for 9 people to come to a consensus on such a complicated matter. When I was a juror, it took us 2 days to decide a very clear cut shoplifting case with 1 day of arguments.
Our jury also selected a lawyer as foreman--from everything I've read, and my experience, I believe the most logically consistent scenario was that most of the panel simply followed where the "expert" led.
--I've used Apple products for years, so I'm not trying to construct an anti-hero narrative--
> I believe the most logically consistent scenario was that most of the panel simply followed where the "expert" led.
You have no evidence of this what so ever. And the other logically consistent scenario is that the jury didn't follow where the expert led.
And it is not a complicated matter IMHO. Once the document was produced detailing Samsung intentionally trying to copy the iPhone UI and the warning from Google then it was pretty obvious which way this was all going.
You, on the other hand, make unsubstantiated claims. You equate me with birthers, you contradict yourself... and even when faced with concrete evidence, you dismiss it out of hand. You even go so far as to lie by claiming I offered no supporting evidence.
No, I've provided evidence. You've merely attempted to insult and claim that the quotes are out of context, and when asked to explain yourself, you merely repeat, as if it will somehow make a difference.
Still, you've proven you are more interested in trolling with the birther remark. This is not reddit. If you cannot discuss things like an mature adult, leave. Feel free to disagree, but insults, ignorance, and trolling are not welcome here.
> "Then you should support them when you make them."
I do. At least, I tried. Anything that couldn't be found in the thread, I quoted.
You, on the other hand, make unfounded and untrue claims.
> But extrapolating all of this from one single statement is irrational, ridiculous and frankly delusional.
I didn't do that. You can reread my comment, and you'll see that your statement is incorrect.
Also, by extrapolating all of what?
* That they skipped the question, which they admitted to? You cannot deny this.
* That they did not follow the instructions as prescribed? They admitted to this as well.
* That context is important? Something even you agree to.
Okay, let's look at the OP you replied to, and take at look at the claim you are disputing:
"The jury foreman admitted that they "skipped" prior art because "It was bogging us down.""
Okay. So, that's the extent of the claim.
Going by the quote from the juror: "In fact we skipped that one,", it matches up with the claim.
Claim: They skipped a question. Quote: We skipped a question.
I think it's fair to say they skipped a question.
Even you admit to this with your own quote: "As far as I can tell, there's no evidence from those quotes that they skipped prior art, so much as skipped the task to move forward on others before circling back around to it." You say here that there is no evidence that they skipped, but there is evidence the skipped the question and most probably eventually came back to it later.
However, skipping did occur, which was the original contention backed up by statements from those who would know.
It would seem that you are the one trying to invent, poorly, as you can't even avoid contradicting yourself in your own comment.
But, you might ask, why would skipping and coming back matter as long as they addressed the question.
Context. The questions were ordered in a specific order. Addressing them out of order is, in essence, answering the questions "out of context." Indeed, the quotes suggest (though admittedly not directly) that by skipping the question, they were able to continue. But if that question had been answered as they had expected it to, would it have impacted the outcome? I believe so.
After all, the context in which you answer a question determines the answer (which is fairly obvious).
In the end, you are trying to paint the jurors in a different light. One in which they abided by the rules set forth (which they've already admitted to not doing[1]) and using the worksheets provided to reach the judgement (again, something they've admitted to modifying).
So no, I'm not inventing anything. Couple that with the "expertise" offered by a patent holder, it's fairly obvious there are issues with the ruling.
That all being said, maybe it's okay the jury ignore the provided worksheets and rewrote them. Maybe it's okay that they ignore instructions given to them by the judge. After all, they are the jury, and they our last line of defense. If we can ask a jury to find someone innocent facing an unjust law, we can expect them to make their voice heard in other cases as well.
Regardless, my point still stands: They skipped a question, they admitted to it, as did you, and you seem foolishly trying to take on other conditions as if somehow that makes the "fact" untrue.
Honestly, how can you even suggest they didn't skip the question, and then say they did, and try to blame someone else for inventing false narratives? I mean, besides being dishonest?
[1] They were instructed: "You should keep in mind that the damages you award are meant to compensate the patent holder and not to punish an infringer." However, what they "wanted to make sure the message we sent was not just a slap on the wrist. We wanted to make sure it was sufficiently high to be painful, but not unreasonable."