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How do they tell if a user is under eighteen?


They don’t. They will require everyone to provide an ID when signing up.


Not just signup. The language of the bill says it applies to existing Utah account holders as well.


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Clearly teenagers are smart enough to select an age over 18.

The governor's tweet is: https://twitter.com/GovCox/status/1639015949964840960

> SB152 requires social media companies to verify that users in the state are 18 or older to open an account. Minors will need parental consent to create an account.

Ok, so what age verification does SB152 require? https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0152.html

> 246 (3) (a) Beginning March 1, 2024, a social media company shall verify the age of an > 247 existing or new Utah account holder and, if the existing or new account holder is a minor, > 248 confirm that a minor has consent as required under Subsection (1):

They totally punt on the issue of how you determine if an account is a minor:

> 256 (4) In accordance with Title 63G, Chapter 3, Utah Administrative Rulemaking Act, the > 257 division, with consideration of stakeholder input, shall make rules to: > 258 (a) establish processes or means by which a social media company may meet the age > 259 verification requirements of this chapter; > 260 (b) establish acceptable forms or methods of identification, which may not be limited > 261 to a valid identification card issued by a government entity; > 262 (c) establish requirements for providing confirmation of the receipt of any information > 263 provided by a person seeking to verify age under this chapter;

It is not remotely clear how you are supposed to enforce this without requiring government id for all users. Or at least, Utah users.


There are already laws on the books in numerous states requiring porn sites to verify that users are over 18. As far as I know, none of them require users to upload a government ID. As usual I think HN is making leaps of logic without actually reading the law or thinking of how else users might be verified (A $0.10 refundable credit card charge for example).


To my knowledge no porn site requires anything beyond clicking "yes, I'm 18," which is the exact kind of "how old are you?" mechanism easily circumvented by teenagers. A credit card charge is not exactly less burdensome than providing state ID.




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