Look, let's look at the human side here. I understand your fear of the vaccine and possibly rage at people encouraging, exhorting, or even possibly looking down on you for your desire for safety. PM me if you want a safe person to speak with. Whether or not you want to reach out, know that I encourage you to be vaccinated and that the data supports that it is quite safe. The medical tradeoff of myocarditis (the largest observed side effect) is 16 COVID deaths prevented for every case (minor or major).[0]
Within one year there appears to be myocarditis at a rate of 16 COVID deaths per 1 myocarditis case. To my understanding this rare side effect appears to occur within be first two weeks post shot, while the body metabolizes the mRNA and other components of the vaccine. Myocarditis also occurs with some other viral infections, and is concerning though not as concerning as the effects of COVID.
After that time period, you have immune response to the spike components. If that is associated with long term side effects, one would anticipate similar immune responses after the virus itself.
I am aware there is a claim that everyone with the vaccine dies in two years, based on rodent studies.(rodents live 18 months). Beyond that I'm not sure what information is out there regarding longevity. I would be happy to review sources you may suggest.
> Within one year there appears to be myocarditis at a rate of 16 COVID deaths per 1 myocarditis case.
Is that age stratified? E.g. in 18-29y/o males where myo/pericarditis risk is highest? With and w/o commodities would be helpful in the risk benefit calculus as well.
I don't off hand (my focus and research has been in the population health & dynamics for COVID versus vaccine side effects). There was a recent review by the CDC here: https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU
I think you missed my point. I would like to know something you cannot know. We have some good data for the effects after a year, but do not have any data for 5 or 10 years since these vaccines have not been out that long.
Just so you know hn doesn’t have any pm functionality, you also don’t have any contact info in your hn bio, which is how most ppl connect outside of hn.
I will say, however, you’ve been incredibly dismissive and condescending, at times even insulting throughout this entire thread, up and down the page, even as someone who is pro-vaccine, I wouldn’t consider you “safe”. So your offers comes off as more gaslighting than anything else.
I'm not sure what you're reading as dismissive. Perhaps telling someone who hopes for a brutal civil war that they are fetishizing, but that's simply a tongue in cheek response to someone who clearly hasn't considered the outcomes to such events.
Otherwise, my message is consistent. Vaccination is a civic duty and one that is good for society. We need to be vaccinated. If a person wishes to reach out to me, I do not judge them based on differences of opinions.
I appreciate honest dialogue, and again, I’m vaccinated and believe overall the medical community is a net positive for society, but you are neither being genuine nor non-judgmental. You’re so far in your own ideology and echo chamber that you don’t even realize how far apart you are from those who don’t see everything through the same lenses you do.
[0] https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU