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Delta Air Lines doesn’t want to call delta variant the ‘delta variant’ (washingtonpost.com)
162 points by bookofjoe on Aug 27, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 143 comments


I think the Corona beer sales increased because of the virus because they leaned into it. Personally, I know many people bought it as joke.

Maybe Delta should take a lesson, I think very few people are deterred from flying because the new virus has the same name as your airline.


I think they are actually trying to be slightly funny about this, maybe it’s not coming across because corporate. But read some of their statements again in a different intonation. I mean, “We prefer to call it the B. 1.617.2 variant since that is so much more simple to say and remember” can’t be taken literally.


> I think they are actually trying to be slightly funny about this, maybe it’s not coming across because corporate.

Yes definitely this. Another one:

"CEO Ed Bastian told the Wall Street Journal "we just call it the variant.""

In that light these articles are media-produced faux-outrage. ugh


Its free PR for them - probably exactly what they intended.


Incoming trademark infringement lawsuit from the makers of Loki.


Whoever is in charge of Corona public relations should be promptly fired for not doing a better job here.

For example, they could have included one cheap mask (with their logo with their 6-packs so "you only get the good corona"...


At which point they are promptly lambasted for making light of a global pandemic with a 7-figure body count.

You can lean into it but only so far.


Hate to be callous, but as global pandemics goes, a 7 figure body count over almost two years and over the whole world is not that bad.


It's the 6th highest body count of any pandemic in history after The Black Death, Spanish Flu, AIDS/HIV, The Plague of Justinian, and the Antonine Plague, and it's on track to beat the Antonine Plague.


This is highly misleading as you are ignoring the number of deaths compared to the population.

The Antonine plague killed 2,6% of the world population. Covid, so far? 0.04%. It is not even close to beat the Antonine plague.

Just for perspective: The upper estimate for covid deaths in 2020 was 3M. The average estimate for yearly tobacco deaths is around 7.5 M. Every FUCKING YEAR, almost 3 covid pandemics caused by cigarretes.

Not to mention that the averaged covid death age is very close to the average life expectation, that is, a majority of people who died of it would probably die in one year or two.

Does it means is not a serious disease? No. it doesn't. Does it means it is a hoax? hell, no!

But does it means that there's an unwarranted level of panic? You sure bet.


You said 7 figure body counts in 2 years weren't bad by global pandemic standards.

7 figure body counts in 2 years put you in the top ten deadliest natural disasters in human history.

No one was talking about fraction of the population, nor was anyone talking about effective reduction of life expectancy. You specifically were using the metric body count.

If you want to make an argument that this pandemic isn't that bad because the people who died this time don't count for as much as those who died in other pandemics, you can do so, but I think that's a poor strategy for corporate PR.


You can’t compare absolute numbers. Why do you insist on that? Do you think world population was always the same? Really?


If the question is a matter of absolute numbers, which for body count it is, then yes I can.


I agree with your points but I also think it's an important distinction that people choose to smoke cigarettes. I don't think folks without mental health issues are intentionally getting COVID.


I was thinking the same thing in the beginning. "Stay home, have a Corona Corona." Maybe team up with drizzly or another delivery service, and all the chain restaurants that were suddenly allowed to have takeout drinks.


Yeah, there are ways to trun this into something useful and at the same time help people.

Not at all making light of the pandemic, but I think this was a missed "opportunity" for those guys.


"Travel like Delta" would be subtle enough I think.


That's… hilarious.


There is an argument for both approaches. I do remember Isis company changing name, because 1) ISIS became a household name 2) it was placed by OFAC on their lists. All of a sudden, doing basic transactions in US became difficult. Needless to say, name change had more of an impact on more than just branding here.

I agree that in this case, they should play it light.


Yeah, that situation was worse. American Express had a partnership called ISIS and issued cards under their "Serve" brand. They literally said "serve isis" on the front. That name had to change.

I don't think the stigma here is nearly so tangible.


The Archer tv show used to call its main spy org ISIS. And then one day, they just stopped referring to it by name at all. Gave it the silent treatment.


I thought it was in the plot that they went independent or something along those lines. I guess time for a rewatch before the new season.


The website we used to register for classes at University of Florida was also ISIS (Integrated Student information services or something like that). They have since rebranded it as well


Interesting, at the Technical University of Berlin it's also called ISIS for Information System for Instructors and Students - they haven't changed the name though.


In Oxford there's a lot of places called Isis because that's the name of the stretch of the Thames which flows through the city. Fortunately most businesses weren't willing to cede the name to the militant group so cheaply!


Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_and_Scanner_Interface_Sp...

When something goes awry with our capture stack, sometimes my google searches start to look a little sus.


Furthermore, pretty much no one is now going to turn up your company name in a search--at least unless maybe you pay enough to turn up in paid search.


LOL. I remember that. Also there was this happened in India: Zica Car vs Zika virus.


In a few months/years we'll be on to epsilon and nobody will care - I wonder if the Kappa and Omega brands are getting worried?


> In a few months/years we'll be on to epsilon

There already was an Epsilon variant, it has been more or less eradicated by the rise of the Alpha variant.


They are leaning into it. Did people not read the article? They’re handling it slightly differently but it’s all a joke, that makes very much reminds you that their is a simpler and more common name.


The article does not read to me at all like its author realises they're joking.


People are more concerned about COVID when flying than they are buying beer, possibly. Certainly a beer commercial can have a different tone than what you find at airports in these times. I'm not sure they should lean into it.

That said, NYT did a fantastic job visualizing how air circulates on planes and it made me feel safer about flying:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/travel/flying...


I still don't feel safe with flying. Literally every time I get on a plane I get sick, you cannot convince me they are safe against the spread of Covid. There's more to that than just air circulation.


I agree, I really don’t understand how air circulation helps when you’re in a middle seat and the two people beside you have their masks off to eat peanuts and are coughing every 2 min


> That said, NYT did a fantastic job visualizing how air circulates on planes and it made me feel safer about flying:

I think this would have worked much better as a video - both from a usability and from a data compression perspective.


It was even better back when they allowed smoking.


I’m referring to the overall air quality which was better back when you could smoke because the airlines were forced to change the air more aggressively. You can’t hide smoke as easily as invisible stagnant air.

https://www.traveller.com.au/reader-letters-visiting-parliam...


It's viral marketing.


Anecdotally I recall the beer aisles being relatively empty during the so-called panic buying, except for corona which were untouched.

Companies spend a lot of money to associate their brand with a good feeling, I can't imagine that the people who bought it as a joke outweighed the negative association.


I think they are using this as a publicity stunt.

I haven't thought, or cared about Delta Airlines, forever.


I bought it as a joke in February 2020, after that it was sold out constantly :D


Corona Beer: hold my ...um... beer.


> Maybe Delta should take a lesson

You’re probably the one who should take an English lesson to realize they’re joking


They could lean into it, but perhaps it could be seen as disrespectful to the dead and those suffering. “Don’t catch Delta! Catch a Delta flight instead!”

I would temporarily abandon the word by itself and instead use the phrases “Delta Airlines” and “Delta virus variant”. Clarity at the risk of wordiness.


On the other hand, I've seen lots of tweets about Corona being the only thing left after hoarding (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETjFKGFWkAAIO2L?format=jpg&name=...). But maybe they turned it around


Eyeballing the share prices of the parent company, Corona's BUD is doing worse than e.g. Coors' TAP since the start of the pandemic. I don't know enough about the companies to know if that means much but at least that preliminary check suggests Corona might've suffered.


The most charitable explanation I could come up with is: Maybe people just don't want to be reminded of the pandemic when opening their fridge.


Delta Air Lines should be used to this type of confusion by now. In the ICAO spelling alphabet, Delta is the word for the letter D. The world's busiest airport also happens to be the main hub and headquarters for Delta airlines. Due to the possible confusion between Delta for D and Delta for the airlines, air traffic control and ground operations in Atlanta use Dixie instead of Delta. Now that Dixie is problematic, guess they'll have to switch to something else. Inside the airport, the "Plane Train" people mover uses David for D so as to not confuse travelers that Concourse D means it's where their Delta flight has its gate.


The name Delta, referring to the Mississippi Delta region, was suggested by Catherine FitzGerald, a secretary who later would rise to the rank of an executive in the company. [0]

Despite the name, [the Mississippi Delta] region is not the delta of the Mississippi River. The shifting river delta at the mouth of the Mississippi on the Gulf Coast lies some 300 miles south of this area, and is referred to as the Mississippi River Delta. Rather, the Mississippi Delta is part of an alluvial plain, created by regular flooding of the Mississippi and Yazoo rivers over thousands of years. [1]

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Delta_Air_Lines

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Delta


They're going to just start using "The".


Is the WHO planning to skip the letter "Xi"?


Can you explain?


A reference to the current Chinese dictator Xi "Winnie-the-Pooh" Jinping with the implication that the WHO is captured by Chinese interests.

See also: WHO trying not to offend China by dodging questions about Taiwan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM


Xi is the 14-th letter of the Greek alphabet.


I think this is a reference to naming virus mutations... after 10 more mutations (?) we'll arrive at the 14th letter of the Greek alphabet, Xi. Which is also the family name of the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.


> Which is also the family name of the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.

Well, it has the same English spelling. It's not a similar sound at all; you would probably think of one as "ksee" and the other as "she".

Though the standard English practice is to pronounce xi, pi, phi, chi, and psi as if they rhymed with "sigh", making the words even less similar. Different consonant, different vowel.


The Greek phonetics seems more accurate than the Chinese phonetics. The Pinyin "x" is more "ɕ" than "ʃ".


I know that, but that's not a difference that exists in English. You can't think of 习 as being a sound you don't know. You have to think of it as a sound you do know.


1000% chance. But there'll be some good excuse, like switching to a different system.


Whoever pays the WHO salaries gets to control them lol.


Meanwhile, the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself is campaigning to make sure there is no "Spirit" variant because it doesn't want the association with the airline.


For some reason, it's hilarious to anthropomorphize the virus.

In the end, the virus is just doing it's thing and humanity is doing the same; both trying to survive not necessarily through any malicious intent but just because it's what we do.

Too bad we can't come to some sort of truce, alas that's where the fantasy ends.


I remember this happening previously with a company named Isis Associates [1]. They opted for a name change in that case. Obviously, it wouldn’t get to that with Delta (their brand isn’t Covid after all). Still, interesting to see how global events can impact branding.

[1] https://paravispartners.com/news/isis-associates-is-now-para...


One of my favorites, from the suburbs of Philadelphia, Arcadia University, née Beaver College...

> The rise of the internet, with systems designed to filter out sexually explicit material, repeatedly blocked access to the college's website. Research conducted by the institution found that, because of its name, the institution appealed to 30% fewer prospective students. In June 2001, trustees voted to apply for university status and to change the name. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadia_University


I really liked Mitsubishi Pajero that in Spain was released as Mitsubishi Montero instead.


There's a prominent Washington, D.C.-based nuclear nonproliferation NGO called the "Institute for Science and International Security".

Their new Twitter handle is @TheGoodISIS


they're really limiting their options for the future there


The television series Archer had to do this. International Secret Intelligence Service just disappeared the name and started calling themselves a bunch of other things in season 6 and then finally made a joke of it in the season 12 premiere two days ago.


Similarly, the ISIS Payment System rebranded itself to Softcard for the same reasons:

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-isis-app-changes-name...


Also the river (/a stretch of/alternative name for the Thames, in the UK), and Lord Grantham's prematurely killed off dog in Downton Abbey.

I had thought they were both named for a Greek goddess, but it seems that's Iris.


You may be thinking of Isis the Egyptian Goddess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis)


Ah of course! Thank you.


This is such a nonstory. I wish journalists did something besides regurgitate the Twitter trending page.


This is the sort of story you'd expect a good PR firm to seed in a prominent paper and get free media for their client.


Calling these people journalists is an insult to the few real journalists we have left.


I'd like to just make a counterpoint: It's not that we have fewer "real" journalists, its that we created a massive number of platforms that don't hire journalists but proport to peddle "news".

We still have plenty of great, high quality journalists, but we have even more low-quality clickbait and chaff to sift through. The issue isn't that the good stuff went away, it's that we're flooded with junk because it's easier to produce.


But we really do have less actual journalists. As a profession they've been gutted by internet and social media.


Maybe? Let's get some definitions: Who counts as a journalist/reporter? Who should we be respecting?

Of course "person who writes articles published in print news" is going away. But is the guy writing a well researched piece for Vox not a journalist?

It just seems like we have more everything, both signal and noise, and that's the issue. We wanted to democratize information, and we got it. Surprise, most people don't put out very good information. But at least we have a lot of it...


Local news is dying (and being monopolized by the Sinclair group), and being replaced by online news. By sheer numbers, even a 25% percent reduction in local journalism would vastly outnumber any number of paid online journalism, because there's an order of magnitude difference in the total niche space available.


Anecdote: In Greece there are tons of brands that use..greek letters. in their name, Alpha Bank, Alpha (TV channel) etc... yet no one seems to be complaining about this. If I were Delta Airlines, I would bow to the people after being bailed ($5.4B) by the US taxpayers rather than "crying a river" over such trivial matter.[1]

[1] https://www.businesstraveller.com/features/these-airlines-ha...


Because Greek letters in Greece are (obviously) very generic. "Alpha Bank" has sort of similar meaning as "First Bank". Meanwhile, "delta" outside of Greece is not that omnipresent and thus much more specific.


What does being bailed out have to do with calling something by a certain name? How are they related?


I don't know if you ever watched the Sopranos but there's a line from it that I think applies. Tony is referring to his mother (who he feels is ungrateful):

"She's like a woman with a honey-baked ham under her arm cryin' that she don't got any bread"

I think that's a similar argument that parent is making.


I think this falls into the categoyr of "I don't like you because of X so everything you do is wrong and because of X"


If you've been bailed out and you worry about how the word "Delta" will affect your company that has also got Delta in it, then you're not using that money wisely.


they seem to be taking it with a sense of humor, not crying rivers, but you have a point


It's darkly funny, because "delta" was chosen in part not to label it the "India" variant.


Air India must have a lot more sway than Delta Airlines.


And ironically India, like Delta, is also in the NATO/ICAO alphabet.


Wasn't the Delta variant first seen in UK ?


Corona beer wasn't too happy at the beginning either, but people got over it. Lots of things share names; it won't take long before people are used to it.


I worked for a company called ISIS. When all that terrorist stuff happened, they actually started to run into problems with banks, so they renamed to ISI Limited. Then of course, ISIS became ISIL...


Talk about bad luck. Next time you need to pick a name, use this => https://www.uuidgenerator.net/


The Levant includes Israel proper.



> “We prefer to call it the B. 1.617.2 variant since that is so much more simple to say and remember,” Ting replied.

Almost sounds like The Onion.


Almost like someone was making a joke, you mean?


They should sponsor the next variant to be called "United"


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Sponsored covid variants. Just what the world needs.

I just call them all the "ν-variant" (pronounced in the classical way) and people seem to go along with it.

(Depending on your font the "\nu" may look a lot like the Latin letter 'v'.)


All the companies named "Epsilon" are currently trying to bribe epidemiologists into a change in their nomenclature system...


They should double down and work on getting a corona (beer) partnership to serve corona on the planes as part of the beverage service.


That would enrage the outrage mob.


Corona beer, the Delta variant. Now infused with real Corona virus Delta variant. Comes with a free Corona virus vaccine shot.


We just need some good virus shots, I propose something mezcal based.


Back in the 1980s, the quip was that Delta stood for Don't Ever Land There Again. I believe that one incident had a pilot mistaking the Ohio State University airfield for the Columbus airport; the other was somewhere in the mid-South.


TWA’s mistaken landing at Ohio State: https://www.dispatch.com/article/20120704/news/307049831

The newspaper story makes little sense if read exactly as written since any jet has ample performance to climb away from a balked landing prior to touchdown, so I assume the realization happened after touchdown given the agreement upon review that stopping was the right call.

There’s an image of this on the wall of the “new” (2019, maybe?) terminal building at OSU and I think a few sentences on the lightening they did to fly it out.


Has the sorority made itself heard--https://www.tridelta.org/ ?


I don't blame them. I'm sure there are some dumbasses out there who already associate Delta variant with Delta Airlines.


A call out to Solar2D, previously Corona2D

https://coronalabs.com/


Delta only have to hang on for a few more months as by then we are sure to be blessed with the all new 'gamma variant'.


Just wait for the American Airlines Variant.


This is an ad for Delta airlines that some PR firm got a WaPo journalist to write and publish for them for free.


lambda airlines would like to have a word as well. okay kidding but i haven't heard anything from greek life about this. i could imagine how terrible this could be for an airline. although i remember hearing that corona beer had the same type of issue last year


I'm sure Amazon also would much prefer if Lambda variant didn't spread as much as Delta.


Of the major US carriers, Delta is certainly the worst IMHO. They've been hit by Covid-19 like all the airlines, but their concerns about public perception would be improved more by them stepping up their game and improving quality. They always seem to me to have embraced the "airlines are just flying busses" philosophy.


Improving quality compared to what? In my experience, Delta and United are completely interchangeable, and comparable to the much more limited experience I have on foreign carriers. For some reason American consistently has the most obnoxious passengers and (presumably related to the preceding) the rudest staff.


You should try Japan Air Lines (JAL) or All Nippon Airways (ANA) for comparison. The difference is amazing. With those airlines, First/Business class actually means something besides a slightly larger seat. With Delta, first class means spending the entire flight with the Coach passengers parading up and down the aisle on their way to the lavatories that are not supposed to be available to them. Another very noticeable difference is in the age, appearance, attitude, and demeanor of flight attendants.


if you think the delta variant is bad, the united-airlines variant can kill your dog


In other news, ISIS Nail Salon is very upset that ISIS is back in the spotlight.


This is why I personally call it the "delta airlines variant" because the humor of there obviously being no such thing helps make the point that there is no such thing.


It can’t be serious. Peak clown world


If I were Delta employee, I would lose so much confidence in leadership over this decision. How can they so oblivious to outside optics?


What's wrong with the optics? I think their choice to not try and associate their company name with covid is... probably smart?


Delta Force, Delta Bank, Delta Electronics, Delta Hotels, Delta Cafés, dozens of places are called Delta, Delta is also a name. Noone cares at all.

Delta Airlines not smart.


TBF they avoid it in their premises, they re not asking others to do so. There's a good reason for that, people might get confused when reading instructions from Delta about Delta, and also, a lot more people will notice the name coincidence if they mention it in their messaging.


Isn't this the company that wants to fine unvaccinated employees $200/month iirc? Somewhat poetic justice if so.


Company with a generic name doesn't want other things to be called by the same generic name


Oh grow up Delta. Seriously, sometimes companies really act like children. We obviously don’t think the delta variant is related to Delta airlines. Do you think all Charlies just changed their name from the charlie variant.


What is the charlie variant ... I've literally never heard of it.


Maybe they think variants are named after the NATO phonetic alphabet instead of the Greek alphabet?


Thats because it’s called Gamma following the Greek alphabet.


Yeah, but I don't think anybody named "Charlie" would make the connection to "Gamma" :-P


Maybe they should call it "the Indian variant"?

It's funny how people were completely fine calling it by countries (e.g. "UK variant") but when it came to India (or China/Wuhan) - Discrimination! - it's OK do discriminate against the first world though.

(I agree though that eventually a new naming system was needed, countries cannot be reused twice...)


I don’t understand the whataboutism in these situations.

> It was initially called the Indian Variant, due to being first detected there in April this year. But it was later renamed the April 02 Variant by the Scottish Government to avoid stigma in associating the variant with people from India.

There is a reason why they did that, fortunately third world countries didn’t attack people from UK. But first world people can’t understand that variants name has nothing to do with the uninfected people from that country. I heard dozens of cases where Asians were attacked.


> fortunately third world countries didn’t attack people from UK

They didn't need to, because their governments acted responsibly and locked out the people from the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/uk-travel-ban-coronav...

India, Argentina, Brazil, China, Mauritius, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, ...


Ah, so you conveniently just ignored the existing people who live in those countries, due to various reasons? And u think the Asians who got attacked in the first world countries were Tourists?


You misunderstood my point. Or rather I didn't communicate it properly.

Renaming the virus variants won't solve the root problem. Nor will racist attacks, of course, but that's just people's desperation showing, because their governments refused to implement good solutions that could solve the root problem.


I see your point now, but yeah when people are desperate, desperate measures are needed. We have Anti-Vaxers, Moon landing deniers. So sometimes some decisions may sound stupid, but to some degree they might help.


Maybe, but I don’t think the track record shows that.

IMO the more likely consequence is that the populace continues to lose the respect and trust for their governments. This started with banning plastic straws (now you get a paper straw wrapped in plastic!) and it’s accelerated since the start of the pandemic.


To be fair, govts are very slow. Changes take a lot of time. What one party agrees is not met eye to eye by other. Also take an example of Cookie banners. Govt wants to do something, corps come up with BS to evade. Now to make it change a step further, it takes a lot of time and is constantly brought down by lobbies etc. At the end of the day, common man suffers. But its not just govt, at every step there is irresponsibility, greed etc.


Keep this comment in context of the anti Asian rhetoric also going around and the increase in racially motivated crimes against Asians.

To ignore this context is extremely distorting.




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