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This question is meant in good faith, not to be facetious but out of a genuine lack of understanding: now what?

If this action was ruled illegal, then someone in the chain of command ordered this illegal action - in other words did something illegal. Is the individual who ordered the illegal action going to be disciplined? Is anyone?



Standard practice is to introduce legislation to make either make it legal, or to make it more secret.


The statute of limitations has expired for prosecuting the person responsible.

https://sensenbrenner.house.gov/2018/3/james-clapper-not-cha...


Why is there a statute of limitations for government officials? This shouldn't be a thing when you're entrusted with the responsibilities that you are concerning an entire country and its citizens.


The ability to defend yourself of a charge disappears over time. Evidence "rots" as weird as that sounds.


Sure, but we've decided that for some crimes (like murder) there is no statute of limitations, and we have a greater interest in prosecuting those crimes than in ensuring it's reasonable for a defendant to defend themself many years later.

I think the same should be true of our civil servants who wield so much power over the populace.


When it comes to elected officials, there could be a concern that time gives the successors an opportunity to just make up the evidence.


Lol, of course nobody will be disciplined


Cynicism aside, I genuinely don't understand how the legal system works where an action may be found illegal - with no actual penalties despite organizations and persons having committed that action.


Finding a wrongdoing and finding a wrongdoer are two very different problems.

I can observe that something has been stolen and still not know who stole it.

This is made much more difficult with the creation of legal entities designed with the explicit purpose of shielding wrongdoers from accountability; like corporations. The idea, as we're told, is that society benefits by shielding risk-takers from accountability; and so we balance this by making it incredibly difficult to hold organizations and the individuals within accountable for their collective wrongs.

No, it's not equitably balanced.


In part, it's because an action of the government has a binary state (lawful/unlawful) distinct from the person having facilitated/executed it.

Then there is the issue of having had a crime committed. A charge must be clearly defined, proved by evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of the accused's peers, tried in a court with appropriate jurisdiction, and the sentence must not be deemed either cruel or unusual in nature, and they must be brought by a someone with standing. Usually an Attorney General or prosecutor, who themselves wield the power of prosecutorial nullification, or as they prefer to call it so as not to night it's sister phenomena, jury nullification, prosecutorial discretion. The official in that position iseitherelected or a political appointee, so has every reason to be highly selective in the cases that deserve their time, effort, and publicity.

Make no mistake, the halls of justice that are the courts are not by any means apolitical. To give credit where it's due, of all the branches, they are the most noteworthy for illustrating active attempts to be apolitical, but there is still much indirect political taint to be found.


Part of the issue is that, until a court case like this, it isn't certain whether something is illegal or not.

It took a lot of back and forth in court to determine that this was illegal.

Now, if someone does it again...


It will happen under a different technicality and under the table that it will be another 30 years before it’s brought to light and again nobody will be prosecuted


Sometimes we have to pretend things. This helps keep the natural order.


Law is what should happen, politics is what does happen.

A superficial look at how crimes are processed should make it obvious that people are in no sense "equal before the law."

Someone poor and black is going to have a much harder time of it than someone rich, white, and politically orthodox. Even more so if they're working for one of the TLAs.

The reality is the latter groups get the benefit of a literal stay-out-of-jail card labelled "national interest", while the former are seen as a threat to it.


There are usually no legal penalties for acts by government agencies found to be illegal, but done in good faith.


Unless news outlets run the story and outrage the public about how violating the constitution should have repercussions, nothing will happen.

But given how grim the news landscape looks like in the USA, I'm not very hopeful.


I wonder if a class action lawsuit can target the government? If not punishment, perhaps we could hope for remuneration?




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