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> It is one thing to have it in the news - or not

If by "news" you mean gate-keeping establishments owned by very large conglomerates. There's very little local independent news for the average person. There is only politicized news.

It's up to every individual to be their own arbiter of truth and morality. It's my opinion that both major parties in the US lie and deceive, so the things you're referring to have no special merit with me. Remember when Donna Brazile leaked the debate questions to Hillary? Hillary got up on that stage and lied to your faces. Manipulating voters is manipulating voters, the method is immaterial.

The only solution is to let the system buckle under it's own weight. You, as an individual, have to admit to yourself and others that the system is rigged and full of liars, criminals, and cronies regardless of side.



This is a fine example of the mistake of false equivalence, and its consequences.

Of course one can find infractions from anyone. As Cardinal Richelieu famously said: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

Getting a debate question in advance is nowhere near the scale of engaging with and changing the country's policy in favor of foreign enemies - yet you use this example to equate it and conclude that we should crash the system.

The result of crashing the system is NOT any kind of improvement. It is anarchy, which is quickly filled in with goverment by warlords -- that is not a situation under which anyone wants to live.

Yes, the system will always have room for improvement, and yes there will always be at least cheating at the edges.

That does not mean that we should make the PErfect the enemy of the Good. We must distinguish between minor cheating and corruption tantamount to treason.

We must remain fully involved -- as Jefferson said, "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance", and build, maintain, and improve the system of checks and balances.

Expecting people to be perfect is a fools errand. The key is to build and maintain a system where the power is distributed - different concentrations of power checked and balanced by others -- so that when people inevitably cheat, the effect is limited, yet the society can still coordinate enough power to accomplish great things.


> The result of crashing the system is NOT any kind of improvement. It is anarchy, which is quickly filled in with goverment by warlords -- that is not a situation under which anyone wants to live.

The current and past administrations are literal warlords. They wage war and install puppets all over the planet. Sometimes open war, sometimes covert war.

> the enemy of the Good

I don't think most of the planet would describe the US Federal goverment as 'good.' Probably 'evil' or at the very least 'irredeemably corrupt.'


I'm talking about a society itself run by warlords and rival gangs without institutions, not deliberate twisting of the word to refer to geopolitical actions.

You also apparently deliberately overlook the contrast between the US, which at least makes strong attempts to build and maintain a democracy at home and export those benefits to the world, vs. other world powers like RUS or CCP, which are effectively gangs.

Seriously, consider the consequences of ceding geopolitical hegemony to Putin or CCP, or just having global anarchy. Start with massive increases in pollution as all international cooperation halts and the economies crash and 9 billion people get more desperate.




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