Most of them have promised to issue refunds to customers if and when they get refunded the money.

FedEx:

> Our intent is straightforward: if refunds are issued to FedEx, we will issue refunds to the shippers and consumers who originally bore those charges. When that will happen and the exact process for requesting and issuing refunds will depend in part on future guidance from the government and the court.

https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/international/us-tariff...

Thanks for that reference. I can only hope. Unfortunately, I just paid a UPS bill for the new tariffs.

> I’m imagining a loitering munition-type drone that has some kind of targeting package loaded into it with different parameters describing what it should seek and destroy. Instead of waiting for intelligence and using human command to put the munition on target, it hangs out and then engages when it’s certain enough that it’s found something valid.

I'm sorry, you've just literally described a "killer robot" in more words.

Yeah, I guess my point is that “killer robot” evokes a terminator-like image for a lot of people. Something that marches around and kills of its own accord. I don’t like either one, but I don’t think they’re the same thing.

The only saving grace is that the killbots had a pre-set kill limit which I exceeded by throwing wave after wave of my own men at them until they simply shut down.

> illegal citizens

???

The term doesn't matter. If you haven't been approved to be in a country, you shouldn't be in said country.

You don't go walking into the Amazon Head Office and walk up to the Executives Offices. You aren't allowed, why do you think this is acceptable?

Sneaking into the office (country) and then benefiting seems not right, what am I missing?

All my ancestors had to do to become American citizens was get on a boat in Europe and not shit themselves to death by the time it arrived in New York. Why should it be any harder than that?

Society has changed. Laws practically didn't exist back then, should we go back to a near lawless society? Should we bring slavery back? Should we prevent woman from working, driving, voting?

You don't even know when my ancestors came over. Why do you think they were on the mayflower and not on a boat headed to Ellis island in the 1900s? We very much had laws back then, though appealing to the existence of immigration laws is a piss poor argument.

“Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.” — Henry David Thoreau

> Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia etc. just bend the knee.

Vidkun Quisling

I mean... that could be a little "no true scotsman" at that point, though.

I think the most useful interpretation of the previous post is Set A is "the set of developers who appeared sane before the arrival of AI agents" and Set B is "the set of developers who are completely ignoring security considerations".

I'm sure company policy would technically prohibit them from accessing company resources from their personal computer; or if it does allow access to company resources from their personal computer then their corporate tech policy very likely does apply to their personal computing.

If the executive bought it for a personal mac mini for personal use only, with no interaction with company resources, then the person probably wouldn't have told the story.

You might be right. But this (and a few other) weird comments in this thread suggest some folks aren't thinking very clearly on this topic.

> Writing the software was never the hard part of building a business.

This is such an important key insight that will take the vibe coding folks another few years to really internalize.

> few years to really internalize.

Given that many engineers have never internalized this, you’re more confident than I am.

I gotta give Musk credit. I continue to think his grift has reached the end of the road, and I'm always shocked at how credulously the market follows him onto the next grift while immediately forgetting the prior one.

The market is far more naive and credulous than I anticipated, and Musk seems to understand much better than I just how fucking moronic most market participants are.

Since he's now being seen as a conservative, he is now adding into Christian elements to his grift. Expect to see him get even more mystical now

Yeah but what racists don't understand is that the golden age of white folks is over.

Outnumbered and increasingly outspent.

> They need to be around parity.

I don't think so.

The deaths from self-driving accidents will look _strange_ and _inhuman_ to most people. The negative PR from self-driving accidents will be much worse for every single fatal collision than a human driven fatality.

I think these things genuinely need to be significantly safer for society to be willing to tolerate the accidents that do happen. Maybe not a full order of magnitude safer, but I think it will need to be clearly safer than human drivers and not just at parity.

> negative PR from self-driving accidents will be much worse for every single fatal collision than a human driven fatality

We're speaking in hypotheticals about stuff that has already happened.

> I think these things genuinely need to be significantly safer for society to be willing to tolerate the accidents that do happen

I used to as well. And no doubt, some populations will take this view.

They won't have a stake in how self-driving cars are built and regulated. There is too much competition between U.S. states and China. Waymo was born in Arizona and is no growing up in California and Florida. Tesla is being shaped by Texas. The moment Tesla or BYD get their shit together, we'll probably see federal preëmption.

(Contrast this with AI, where local concerns around e.g. power and water demand attention. Highways, on the other hand, are federally owned. And D.C. exerting local pressure with one hand while holding highway funds in the other is long precedented.)

> The deaths from self-driving accidents will look _strange_ and _inhuman_ to most people.

I like to quip that error-rate is not the same as error-shape. A lower rate isn't actually better if it means problems that "escape" our usual guardrails and backup plans and remedies.

You're right that some of it may just be a perception-issue, but IMO any "alien" pattern of failures indicates that there's a meta-problem we need to fix, either in the weird system or in the matrix of other systems around it. Predictability is a feature in and of itself.

I've gotta say, I'm at my absolute most smug when the internet is out and my Roku TV warns me "Are you sure you want to open Jellyfin, it probably won't work without internet access".

You're lucky, a fire tv stick just locks you into a "your internet is down so you're screwed" screen that you can't get out of when if you have Plex installed.

Yeah I should know better than to buy Amazon crap I know