Potential confusion of cause and effect: maybe some weren't given any freedom because they were repeatedly unable to self-regulate.

It is a common tactic among abusive parents to convince their child without them, they'd be unable to survive in the wider world. Any mistakes will become irrefutable proof thereof, and any attempts to break this control and do things on their own will be treated as ingratitude, often prompting the abuser to instantly abandon all parental duties to "teach a lesson".

I don't disagree, but in this context I don't think those are the same parents that are yeeting their kids off to board at university as soon as they are of age.

As one of those kids, you could’ve just stopped at “I don’t think”, because you’re not thinking critically if you think we don’t exist.

I wasn’t allowed to have a personal device or unsupervised internet access until I graduated.

My parents forced me to go to a school with a summer work program. I was yeeted to university by my wing clipping abusers THREE DAYS AFTER GRADUATION.

Rural, miles from the nearest town of 1200 so I didn’t have access to the resources needed to change any aspect of this.

I was deeply hampered by this, and despite being one of the salutatorians of my graduating class (we had ties due to AP), I crashed out of that university after a semester.

Sometimes the kids basically run away to universities as soon as they're of age.

> And some kids haven't got their head straight after puberty at 16, and still need (or would have needed) the training wheels.

But on average they don't.

> Society works on averages.

Right. So setting the rules around the outliers is wrong. Glad you're clear on that.

> Most people being ready little adults at 16 doesn't mean everyone is.

You don't have to be a completely self-sufficient adult to handle the freaking Internet.

I feel like I'm in a comedy show where I'm the only one who actually reads what others are writing.

There's no evidence in this response or others that you're reading what other people are writing.

It's not an innate ability. Takes a solid decade of actual parenting for people to acquire this skill.

And if the person is high energy, then that energy needs to be channeled.

Then it's a questionable move to one day hand them _all_ the responsibility they had previously lacked.

You can also ask if the rate of this occurrence is increasing or decreasing.

if they are unable to self-regulate, then jailing them at home and school is definitely not a solution for that.

I think you're responding to an argument I didn't make. And I feel necessary to point it out because it looks like other people may be reading it like that, too.

I read it in the same way. What did you mean instead?

I mean what I wrote, nothing more.

(a) Quote from TFA is about using internet. GP talks about "didn’t have any freedom or autonomy" which I don't take quite as literally as you do, because they also mention "I saw this a lot in college". So it would have been quite regular level of (over)controlling, instead of locking them in and not letting them leave the house except for school.

(b) I am not advocating anything as a solution. I am pointing out that the simple cause and effect presented by GP might be more complicated.

Well, AppGyver was real. SAP bought it, it's now called SAP Build.

Don't know how successful it was/is as a product though.

See my other comment [1]. There's dozen of failed products. That one AppGyver product is from 15 years ago. Since then, he hasn't created any other product. The motorcycle however is real. The battery may also be. The issue with Solid State Batteries is that it's almost impossible to scale them.

The guy changes the industry he's in as often to match what's currently popular.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47129369

Failed startup isn’t a scam, to be a scam it needs to be presented in a way that is designed to collect money but that money be used for something else.

Otherwise YC would have been scam center, very few of YC companies don’t fail.

It's also a bit sus that someone creates an account just to bash them, when they themselves are already doing a great job to make it look like a scam.

The person whose signature is on it, is listed on VTTs website with the same title.

Considering the amount of publicity this thing gets, VTT or the person will publicly refute it pretty soon if it's a fake.

Also, VTT had publicly confirmed earlier that they had conducted tests for Donut Lab.

I'm confident the document and tests are real, but other shenanigans are still possible (and likely IMO).

List please. Surely there is a wiki page you can drop a link to, right?

$200k is one expensive software engineer. On average, you can get people to work for much less.

Paying for software developers is really weird. State governments for example struggle to pay for a FTE that makes $140k. But they can pay me over $200/hour for consulting services for multiple years. The technical FTE employees that they have generally aren't qualified to evaluate their consulting needs so you get multi-million dollar contracts with very little actual oversight. I was really impressed with the folks I was working with at this particular state government and looked into what it would look like if I joined them full time as a FTE technology leader. I would have to take almost a 50% pay cut. The top senior IT position that oversees all of the state resources makes 70% of what I do. It's crazy. Unless you're working in medicine or sports, government pay sucks.

I've seen similar but less extreme examples play out in the private sector. 16 year senior architect making less than freshly hired software dev that was just an intern within the same company. Software developer pay is largely based on what you're demanding. In a lot of companies, there is a wide range of pay for folks doing literally the same job. They will hire a dev at $180k because that dev wouldn't go lower and turn around and push back to get another dev at $120k for the same level of unproven experience.

They give up pay for guaranteed work and benefits, maybe a pension? Most likely little risk of being fired or laid off.

You have to keep finding clients (I'm sure it's easy now, will it always?) and pay all your expenses.

I assumed the commonly cited 2x markup, so that would be a $100k salary, which is less than various websites say is the average US software dev salary. You could probably find cheaper elsewhere in the world, but even if you cut the salary in half that's still "bug must be doable in a week", which isn't going to cover many of the bugs people will care about.

I believe that the $200k figure was meant to express what such a person might cost the company, not what that person would be paid as salary.

(And it's just a placeholder. $200k seems like it's at least in the direction of the right ballpark.)

> I would have an issue with companies banding together and negotiating collectively

Use of "would" implies you believe they don't.

This is not a new problem. Anyone remember what booting Windows was like back in 2000? All the programs loading bunch of libraries from spinning rust, just to get their tiny, useless icon to the tray. Some would show banners as they started in the background, to remind they exist. It would take minutes from GUI first paint to all icons in the tray and system responsive again.

Btw, night mode on that site is brilliant. Also necessary, the yellow burns my eyes.

Only thing that wasn't usable on Linux 20 years ago was games.

I've never had a shirt fall apart so bad it didn't make it back home.

I know, probably the parties I go to are just that boring.

The comment means "you throw away the shirts with holes, so obviously any shirt you have from 2010 has no holes". Unless every single new shirt the GP has has holes in it (which they don't), we can't draw any conclusions from this, except "some shirts from any year last a long time and some don't".