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This is probably the best comment on the subject I have ever read, for whatever that's worth.


And from the same article

"is bold and brilliant, and he swings for the fences."

and ...

"People like that get some remarkable results,” Munger continued. “Sometimes they get some quick failures. I haven’t the faintest idea how Elon Musk will turn out, but he has a considerable chance of success and considerable chance of failure. He seems to like it that way."


> but he has a considerable chance of success...

Wait a second, by all measures this billionaire is _already_ successful, no? How could anyone claim the contrary?


Money on that scale is of a very different character to money as normal people understand it.

It’s more like being a medieval king: to the extent that you’re the shareholder, your wealth is the “nation’s” wealth; your guards are paid for out of your pocket; and you can be drawn into conflicts that lead to you losing everything.

It’s that latter part that I’d be worried about with Musk. He took a very big gamble with SpaceX, and if one more launch had failed in the early years, he would’ve become a mere footnote on someone else’s Wikipedia page. The concern is he might make similar gambles in future.


Depending on how it ends.

Will he be reduced to a mad man shouting on twitter, with nothing left to his name but failed enterprises?

Or will he carve the moon in his image?


The success he's referring to could be the success of Elon's vision, rather than Elon himself.


I completely agree. Most startup's can do with cheaper or even bare-metal hosting for years before having to use highly-scalable solutions like AWS.


How much would it cost to get someone dedicated to manage your bare metal infrastructure? In this day and age, where using ansible or terraform is considered close to the metal, how much would it cost you to manage your own server?

And what about scaling?

That's precisely the problem. Bare metal hosts are unbeatable in cost, but fixed costs render them too expensive for a startup. Then, when fixed costs start to become irrelevant, you need to factor in the cost of rearchitecting your solution.

Then, when both of those costs become irrelevant, you already have the entire team trained and experienced in using a cloud service provider.


As someone who has been that "someone dedicated to managing your bare metal infrastructure": It will typicall cost less than that "someone dedicated to ensuring your AWS setup is correct and works and handle all the regular config changes".

I know that first hand for having done both, and seeing how the AWS systems consistently earned me more money, and how rarely I had to deal with the bare metal (I've done anything from actual own hardware in colos to renting servers from places like Hetzner; when I was handling servers in two separate colos I spent on average a day a year in each of them, the rest was done by "remote hands" at the data centre)

> That's precisely the problem. Bare metal hosts are unbeatable in cost, but fixed costs render them too expensive for a startup. Then, when fixed costs start to become irrelevant, you need to factor in the cost of rearchitecting your solution.

Actually buying hardware is too expensive. But coloing leased hardware or renting on a month by month bases from a dedicated hosting provider costs about the same when you amortize over a three year period unless you're physically located somewhere with cheap land. E.g. I work out of London, and when I was doing this we eventually deprecated the own hardware in favour of renting from Hetzner because colo space in London was so much more expensive that the savings on the actual hardware couldn't make up for it.

> Then, when fixed costs start to become irrelevant, you need to factor in the cost of rearchitecting your solution.

Or you architect it properly from the start. I've done zero downtime migration between AWS, GCE and Hetzner. I've had systems that tied in cloud instances, VMs running on our own hardware, containers running on dedicated instances, and VMS on rented hardware, all tied into a single system. If you run everything in containers anyway, all you need to make that happen is a simple orchestration system and a reliable network overlay, and an architecture that ensures reliable replication of your data.

Once you've done that, you're free to pick and choose and migrate services as you please depending on cost and need, and it really is not that hard to get working - you already do most of the necessary planning if you are setting up a reproducible cloud setup anyway.


It's more complicated than that. Sometimes, the decision is not just in the engineers' hands. eg - our clients (airlines) would very much prefer we use AWS over the smaller, lesser known offering.


What justification do the airlines give for placing demands on your own suppliers?


It's pretty common for Fortune 500 type companies to ask for all sorts of intrusive terms they perceive as a benefit to them. Indemnity, long net payment terms, penalties for missed SLA, etc. They could be specifying AWS in this case to reduce latency and/or avoid the internet as a dependency. Maybe the client side is on AWS already, or they already have high bandwidth / dual path via AWS direct connect, and don't wish to do that for a different provider.

The reward being that once you're in, they are too big and slow to ever move away from your product.


"We want it because it makes our lives (specifically, probably some paperwork) easier. Do you still want our money or not?"


i'm not familiar with that part. also sale people can make all kind of promises to close the deal.


Not necessarily. StackOverflow runs on a couple of servers.


And get some positive optics.


Band popularity has a lot to do with marketing. If you are looking at the size of European countries they have just as many influential artists as the US. UK and Sweden in particular.


Can you recommend any Swedish acts? I thought of Junior Senior and Röyksopp but it turns out they're Danish and Norwegian.


There’s a Wikipedia page for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Sweden

Artists I particularly like are Robyn (pop), The Knife (electronic/“IDM”), Fever Ray (one half of The Knife), The Cardigans (pop), Lykke Li (indie pop), iamamiwhoami (experimental electronic) Opeth (death metal), Kleerup (electronic dance), Neneh Cherry (pop/hip-hop), José González (indie pop). Note: genres aren’t particularly useful but I thought some indication of what the artist is like is better than none.

If you like Röyksopp, I’d recommend checking out Kleerup, The Knife, iamamiwhoami, Lykke Li and Fever Ray.

Also, you may not know the name but you’ll be very familiar with the songs written and/or produced by Max Martin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin


Huh? I really can't taste the difference between tap and bottled.

I even think most of our bottled water here is tap water.


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