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I think it's quite bad form to publicly attack another company like this without discussing it in private first.

Whereas I think a public statement of outrage is entirely justified. Take a look at the screenshot. GetSatisfaction has been collecting feedback under the 37signals name for at least a month. Those people who typed messages into GetSatisfaction expecting a response have been disappointed for a while. Anyone who randomly came across that page and saw lots of months-old issues -- but no post from 37signals itself -- has been subliminally convinced that 37signals never gets around to answering their mail.

This is not a theoretical issue. I believe this group of confused visitors includes me. I think I remember clicking through to this page, being puzzled by the lack of back-and-forth, and then surfing away -- not consciously angry, but feeling lost and a bit let down. This incident, and others like it, is not a trivial matter. This sort of thing is costing the company money.

How is 37signals to solve this PR problem, which GetSatisfaction has intentionally inflicted on their company, except by making a big, immediate, loud public fuss? Ideally, this message needs to reach every single person who has ever visited that page on GetSatisfaction.

If GetSatisfaction doesn't want to get into confrontational disagreements, perhaps they should have avoided designing a system that automatically trashes the public image of other companies.

2.Google Ventures (google.com)
167 points by epi0Bauqu on March 31, 2009 | 46 comments

The text in the badge is/was:

37signals has not yet committed to open conversation about its products and services. Encourage them to join and support the Company-Customer Pact.

I really have a hard time believing that this was an oversight. It is at the top of almost every page. When you consider GetSatisfaction's strategy it is even well written.

4.GM's Problems are 50 Years in the Making (fivethirtyeight.com)
82 points by pg on March 31, 2009 | 48 comments

I'm in the camp that says 37Signals have a valid point. Let's assume their intention is not about traffic but is to pressure GetSatisfaction into rectifying the situation as quickly as possible (and not just for 37Signals) then as harsh as the post may have been:

1) 37Signals have used their considerable influence to achieve change on behalf of many sites who have far less influence 2) 37Signals used the open model of putting pressure on a company publicly that GetSatisfaction have built their business on 3) They've effected change and created open discussion

Could they have been 'nicer'? Perhaps. But more effective, I'm not so sure...

6.Patch to fix RSS feed for News.YC (scotchi.net)
67 points by wheels on March 31, 2009 | 14 comments
7.2009 Rubyist's guide to a Mac OS X development environment (thoughtbot.com)
63 points by jwilliams on March 31, 2009 | 14 comments
8.Kevin Rose and Tim Ferriss talk about Startups, Angel Investing, YC and Traffic/Conversions (vimeo.com)
64 points by mikeyur on March 31, 2009 | 25 comments

Loud public fuss is usually a reasonable backup plan if asking them to change doesn't work.

You still haven't grasped the problem. I'm sure that 37signals could easily have used quiet channels to remove the offending pages, messages, and marketing copy on GetSatisfaction.

But that would not have reached me. Up until three hours ago I was wandering through the world, with a faint memory of the time that I followed a Google link to a 37signals support page and found nothing but a ghost town. To counteract that bad impression, they need me to hear that it wasn't their fault, and they want me -- a potential future customer -- to know that they take their reputation very seriously.

I suppose they didn't have to put up a blog post. They could have filed a lawsuit, or obtained an injunction, and then publicized that instead. Would that have been more polite?


Except that other folks on the web would have no idea this was going on. A private e-mail likely results in a private response (changing the wording on 37signals's get satisfaction page). A public exposure gets things changed... as it did.

The fact is that GS got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. To think that the wording on that banner was not carefully considered is just plain naive.

The 37 signals post is spot on. They where attempting to increase their conversion by strong-arming businesses into signing up. It didn't make it on to the site by accident. They changed the wording to something rather harsh, and received a commiserate reply in return.

I hope they've learned their lesson, as I rather like their product.


No. One of the first rules I ever learned about human factors was to translate "user error" into "design flaw." A mistake that is easy to make is a design problem. In this case, this easy-to-make mistake benefits Google.

It's probably not intentionally deceptive, but it is deceptive and Google should fix the problem.

Default actions should not affect deleted items. Think about GMail: "All Mail" excludes your Spam and Trash.

12.Tell HN: StackOverflow is just terrific
57 points by brandnewlow on March 31, 2009 | 41 comments
13.A 3700-year-old proof that the diagonal of a unit square has length √2 (ubc.ca)
54 points by sethg on March 31, 2009 | 23 comments
14.That's Only Ten Lines Of Code (avc.com)
55 points by ph0rque on March 31, 2009 | 16 comments

I was surprised this 37s post didn't end with "and this is why on March 31, 2009 we filed suit against Get Satisfaction for trademark infringement and unjust enrichment". That they don't seem to have done that hurts your argument that they're being immature.

Also, calling 37signals out for going straight to the public seems like an exceptionally weak criticism in this case. GS is trading on inserting themselves into the public conversation about companies they have nothing to do with. Live by the sword, die by the sword.


I think it's quite bad form to publicly attack another company like this without discussing it in private first. I see no indication that there was any communication between 37Signals and GetSatisfaction prior to this very public post.

I've had this kind of thing done to me before, and I think it's really out of order. Essentially, 37Signals have decided, in this case, to trade politeness and "being good" for making a big noise and getting some page views and attention.

It's easy to criticise people publicly without trying to understand what's going on first. I'd love to say that I expected better from 37-Signals, but considering that their blog has been so focused on generating page views through negative disagreement, I'm not all that surprised that they do this as well.

Here's a challenge for 37-signals: Why not try to do positive things, rather than frame everything as a confrontational disagreement? Yes, being an arse generates page views, but so do other undesirable behaviour. Is that really the way you want to go in the long term?

17.Smaz - short strings compression library (github.com/antirez)
46 points by antirez on March 31, 2009 | 22 comments
18.Apache CouchDB 0.9 has been released (apache.org)
42 points by febeling on March 31, 2009 | 21 comments
19.Plainview - A chromeless browser for OS X (barbariangroup.com)
39 points by grinich on March 31, 2009 | 31 comments
20.Atlas: a visual IDE for desktop-like web apps (arstechnica.com)
38 points by arockwell on March 31, 2009 | 34 comments

When the harm caused is largely that of public image, I think a public explanation is a reasonable response.
22.Can design save the newspaper? (ted.com)
38 points by makimaki on March 31, 2009 | 54 comments

37signals absolutely has a valid point and I agree with their decision to make this public so all can be aware of the tactics being employed by GS.

FYI-GS is using the same type of extortion that the Better Business Bureau (BBB) has used since inception to scare companies into becoming a paid member.  The general public has no idea how dishonest many of these client attainment methods really are.

24.Ask HN: Please provide feedback for fonefu.com (fonefu.com)
39 points by comatose_kid on March 31, 2009 | 27 comments

I wonder how many bad customer services experiences it'll take to train their Bayesian models.

Google is slowly losing the PR war. It starts with the geeks. It may take another two years to propagate to the general public. By then, billions of dollars in ads (think Microsoft) can't undo the damage.

I'm watching to see if they are smarter than MS.


He's got to do something with the 164 hours a week he's not working.

I'm sorry to have to point this out, but this comment doesn't deserve 30 points. It's just a quote from the story, it's not insightful and doesn't add anything of value to the comment thread.

Agreed. If your strategy to compete with Google is, "They haven't heard our idea yet." you're probably screwed.
30.Spam Back to 94% of All E-Mail (nytimes.com)
32 points by tokenadult on March 31, 2009 | 32 comments

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